Bishop81

Don't worry about duplicate content giving you a penalty in the search engines. It has been proven that you can have duplicate content and it won't affect you. I have posted several PLR articles COMPLETELY UNALTERED on a website and have only changed the title in order to target my keywords. Even with the exact duplicate content, I can still get over 100 hits per day to my site through the various articles.

If you can do any sort of decent SEO, then you don't need to worry about duplicate content.

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PeterGF

Tj and Steelydan - thanks for the insight.

Bishop81 - 100% unaltered material and still being ranked!!! Is any of the PLR you are using already ranking elsewhere and if so - can anyone shed any light onto why does Google NOT display some dupe content in its listings, but as is being indicated here, does show it on other listings?

Sorry to go a little off issue with the thread but I do feel that this is relevant when considering the use of PD material.

I have been under the impression that dupe content would not appear simply because when searching for extracts of text from PLR articles I nearly always see "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries...........repeat the search with the omitted results included" message.

Confused!?!

Kneb Knebaih

Yes, I totally agree..

Just by changing the title and the order of the phrases or paragraphs you can make a big difference to search engines...

Don´t worry too much about this.

SEO, keywords and presentation can do wonders.

PeterGF

Hi Kneb,

But you are still suggesting that elements of the content do need to be changed and a totally unchanged article COULD still be hit has dupe content?

winner1

Kneb,

just taking your advice in the other thread to subscribe to this thread: lol

thanks

Andrew Erdnase

The biggest challenge I've faced in internet marketing is finding a business model that works. This thread has give me plenty of models and Kneb's book has given me all the information I need to get going.

There is great value in this thread. I hope we all use it to it to the maximum.

And Kneb...you've given more value in this thread than I've seen in a very long time. Thanks

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Rich Miller

Kneb - Thank you for taking the time to post this wealth of information and all of the follow-up answers.

Leron Ford

Great post, Kneb. Now who do I have to bribe to get in on this challenge?

Thanks,

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KristenArnold

I'd love to know if the amount of traffic your site gets makes any difference or if it's purely just the fact that it is already set up and they only have to work on the traffic?

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-seomaster-

Hi Kneb,

Awesome Post Mate!

There is absolutely no doubt that anyone
can make money on the internet, they just
have to have a good plan, take action and keep
the momentum going!

tj

According to Kneb there is no chance for bribery anymore - the chosen ones are already chosen

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Kneb Knebaih

Duplicate Content myths are well discussed in this interesting thread:


Quote:

"I'm just trying to figure out why Google hasn't
penalized your blog."


"Because duplicate content is a myth.

Penalties are applied to duplicate content within the same site. Duplicate content shared between different sites are fine."




Take a look:

1 Hour Of Work Made Me $628.94 So Far....



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TheToolWiz

Deconstructing a site -- the other side of the coin

I thought about posting this as a separate thread, but I suspect it won't get much of a response either way.

A while back a fellow ran a WSO about how he was "blown away" at the kind of money he was making "flipping" brand new websites. He charged a small amount, like $15, to get into his membership site where he had several videos that explained his approach. I watched the videos, and promptly unsubscribed as it was worthless information. But not for the reasons many people might think.

This fellow, like many others, discovered he can sit down and in a matter of "mere hours" whip together a website from scratch with custom graphics and content, and sell it on eBay, SitePoint, or elsewhere, for between $50 and $150.

How many times have we heard this story? Many of you read that and think ... WOW!

For somebody used to making $10/hr, like this fellow admitted, then spending most of a day to build a website (or a simple template in this case), and sell it for $150 ... well, DANG! He just found a way to TRIPLE the usual hourly rate he's used to getting!

So anybody not used to making $30-$50 an hour is going to think "THIS IS A WINDFALL!"

Also, especially for foreigners where $100 USD is like ... what you usually earn in a week, sure, it's a virtual KILLING!

On the other hand, let's stop for a minute and consider that most legitimate web developers are charging several thousand dollars to basically design a theme, complete with a logo and artwork, for clients who are wanting something more personalized.

Most of this work is artistic in nature. The content is "ipsum dolorum ficus balorum" stuff. Absolute gibberish, intended to give a sense of what the site might look like with real text added.

So, when someone says they've whipped together a site in a day that they can't sell for $75, well, the whole theory goes out the door I guess.

Just for grins, go over to rentacoder, elance, or guru.com, and post an ad asking for bids to have someone build you a site that matches the description of the one you just built and can't seem to sell. I'd be surprized if you'd get anybody who'd bid as LOW as $75! More likely, the bids will run into the hundreds of dollars. UNLESS ... the bidder is using templates from a template site, and then they might charge $10 or $20.

In that case, it might be worth paying them to see what they'd do for that amount. If they do as good or better a job as you, ask how many of those same simple sites you can have them make for you at $10 or $20 each.

That's the visual side of things. Now consider the content.

Post a request for bids to have someone build you a site and fill it with content that amounts to ~50,000 words of content on some subject, say 100 pages of 500 words per page.

Now what kinds of responses are you getting? $75? NO FREAKING WAY!

Original content will cost you $500 - $1000, if not a lot more.

Even if it's PLR material that's been slightly reworked, you're still looking at a minimal cost per page of say $1. It takes time to put that content into the site, right?

My point is, everything boils down to a "make vs. buy" decision in this world. And a BIG factor there is, "what's your time worth?".

If you're used to making $50/hr as a programmer, then spending a day building a site that makes you $75 just seems like a silly waste of time. ESPECIALLY when you can outsource it for $10.

On the other hand, Kneb is showing us a way to find 100s of pages of ready-to-use content that's far higher quality than just about ANY PLR material you'll find ANYWHERE. It's TOTALLY FREE! And because of a quirk in the law, it's legally unencumbered -- that is, you're free to use it however you like.

So maybe you'll have trouble selling a simple template-based web site for $75, but surely you can get at least $500 for a site filled with content that would cost just about anybody at LEAST that much to create from scratch!

Would you rather spend a day making a site template that can be sold for $75 (maybe), or a content-rich site that can be sold for somewhere in the neighborhood of $500?

There's absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER to sell a site built with PD content for LESS than a few hundred dollars. Simply because it would cost more than that for someone to go out and have one exactly like it BUILT for them.

These things are not being created and sold in a vacuum!

What's your time worth? BUILD vs BUY. Serve whichever of that equation will make you more money. Building things for people will USUALLY pay more than "spec work" -- building the same thing hoping you'll sell it later.

Something to chew on.

-David

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Amber_Writes

Quick question here. Is all the content contained within these sites you listed public domain or only some of it? Just checking before I dive in head first!

And one other thing, I did a search on the USAsearch.gov site, and got a ton of results. Of course, this made me happy. But, my only concern again is if all the results that are ever returned all public domain?

I'll be watching for your response. I can't wait to get started on this stuff!

tommygadget

Nice thread, the OP just keeps on giving, kudos to you my friend. Here's my contribution to the thread. First, I can personally attest to the fact that there's lots of money in flipping blogs. I do it and teach others how to do it. Second, duplicate content is a myth. I have produced many identical blogs and even posted a thread here where I setup 10 identical blogs without any penalty. Now go out there and make some money!

TomG.

TheToolWiz

I seem to recall that most of the "duplicate content penalty" hysteria seemed to arise at a time when publishing sites full of SERPS from common queries were getting sites de-indexed. Not only is that "duplicate content", it also duplicates what the SEs DO!

Look ... if SE's punished people for hosting duplicate content, then why is it so dang easy to find so much duplicate stuff all over the place? I'm not talking the secondary listings (whatever they're alled) but pages and pages of the same crap! I'm a software developer, and it's almost impossible to search for useful help on specific technical topics because what you get is dozens of sites with the same junk posted over and over. It's almost always the exact VERBATIM material ripped from vendor web sites describing their products.

The funny thing is, if you search for exact phrases, you won't find the vendor's site anywhere near the top of the SERPS! Rather, you find all of these aggregation sites that just list catalogs of products filled with content ripped off of vendor sites.

If there's IS such a thing as a "duplicate content penalty", it sure isn't applied very evenly or effectively across all product niches. And not even on the same site -- many of these catalog sites have the same material cross-referenced in dozens of ways.

-David

-David "TheToolWiz" Schwartz

tj

You have to check the results if they from a federal government website, if yes, then you have to check if they are produced by a government agency or if the content is in anyway licensed. If yes, it's not in the public domain.

The best way to get started is to get Knebs Special Offer regarding Public Domain. I got it for myself, and I have to say I do not regret it. I got because I always want to learn the methods of other marketers in my area. It's easy to understand and you can explore some ways to get started and to profit from the public domain.

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Kneb Knebaih

Words of Wisdom, Dave...


So true...


Thanks for pointing this out so clearly.



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PeterGF

Kneb - forgive my ignorance on this matter but what I do not understand about the 'dupe content' issue is - when checking out the use of PLR material by searching for a block of text from the article in Google, it is very common to receive the "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries...........repeat the search with the omitted results included" message.

Isn't this dupe content being penalized or have I got this completely wrong?

Charann Miller

Great post, you really know your stuff well. 900 page adsense site in 30 days, gosh my eyes are popping out of their sockets!

SteelyDan

You are searching with a query that is so exact that no other searcher would use that term on google. Look at the entire site, seo and all that good stuff.

I haven't tested my theory out but believe if 500 sites have the same exact content you will definitely have problems ranking, but if you have the same content as a small handful of other sites then the SEO apsects come into play to whom will be ranked higher.

bubbavine

I've seen a lot of strange sig's (this is a little off topic) but Martin's takes the cake.. good for you man...

Bubba Vine

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bubbavine

oops.. I think Martin's post got deleted... must have been the hop link in his sig

Bubba Vine

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SteelyDan

Do you mean hop link or POP link?

eddy_123uk

Hello everyone! Sounds great. Would anyone be able to assist us UK residents please.

All government sites seem to have something called a Crown Copyright on them which is enclosed below from www[dot]businesslink[dot]gov[dot]uk. It says the text may be reproduced in any format...but then says permission is reqd.Can anyone interpret how the text can be used please, as in my eyes these statements seem to be contradicting one another? Thanks


© Crown copyright 2008 - the text on this website is subject to Crown copyright protection.
1. Use of Crown copyright material

The material on this website, other than images as detailed below, may be reproduced free of charge in any format or medium, provided it is reproduced accurately and not used in a misleading context.
Where any of the items on this website are being republished or copied to others, you must receive our permission in writing, identify our website as the source of the material, and acknowledge its copyright status. You will also need to clarify how you will make sure any content you publish is kept up to date in line with our maintenance process. If you would like to make use of material from our website, contact us through our feedback form to tell us where and how you plan to use it.

tj

As you're describing it already in your post, for UK material you have to get permission from the owner of the copyright in every single case. Contradicting or not you need permission to use their material.

Timo

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Instructor

Ouch. Sounds like you have to jump through some hoops to use the content. You might want to contact a UK copyright professional and/or use the UK feedback form as they suggested.

TheToolWiz

Read the terms of what's permissible in sigs -- only links to your OWN stuff and to your OWN sites/domains. Clickbank Hop links are prohibited unless you're the owner of clickbank.com/.net.

The rules also impose limits on appearance, length, etc.

They're worth reading.

-David "TheToolWiz" Schwartz

Kneb Knebaih

Please, check out my page#1 post regarding this issue:



* PD Government Works (rules):


Public Domain does NOT apply when the work has been performed for the government by a third party (an independent contractor).

Also, usually a federal government website will have a link at the bottom (Website Policy) confirming that the content is public domain...

But not always. If you can´t find it, just put this code into the Google search:


"public-domain site:---.gov"

or,

"permission site:---.gov"


(change the ---.gov for the actual site you are searching)


If after that, there´s still no luck, you can rely on this:


1. Make sure the site is in fact a federal site. States + local government ARE NOT public domain... Just federal websites (with the exceptions pointed out by Timo).

2. Make sure the work is not made (entirely or in part) by an independent contractor (which will be stated or credited).

3. There is a copyright notice in it?


And the easiest thing (and common sense):

- Contact the site directly and ask: they will give you the answer.


There are also some other exceptions:

- The Smithsonian Institute + Amtrak + the US Postal Service (USPS)

They are federal agencies whose works are copyrighted (not in the Public Domain)...


Except (and this is a thing that I love) USPS stamps older than 1978 (!)

That´s right: all stamps made by the US government prior to 1978 ARE in the Public Domain...

I´ve sold many digitized copies of them



You can check out this Wikipedia link to bookmark it for future reference:

Copyright status of work by the U.S. government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Hope this clears things a bit more...


*

Bishop81

Man, who would buy a picture of a stamp?

Guess I should start looking for some of those to purchase too... Hope this post doesn't drive the price of old stamps up on ebay.

Now, this is any kind of stamp prior to 1978, right? Even if it may have some character on it, such as Mickey Mouse or something?

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tj

Chris, if a stamp contains trademarked characters like MM or other trademark protected material (Walt Disney Stuff for instance), then the stamp is out of of copyright BUT the character is still protected by trademark rules and regulations. A trademark protection can last forever if the owner of the trademark renews the copyright always right in time.

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adambrad

Hi Kneb,

Keeping in mind that I am quite naive with all of this PD stuff but isn't a lot of the PD stuff by it's very nature 'old' information. And if so, what is some advice for freshening it up if the intention is to somehow repurpose and sell that information?

Thanks
Adam

tj

Adam, let me chime in here for a moment and answering some of your questions. PD information from the federal government is not that all, so that the language itself does not need to be "freshened up." Older pd content you can treat like "every other" plr content. You can leave it as it is, rewrite parts or the the whole content.

Timo

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Kneb Knebaih

Many people would buy them: collectors, nostalgia lovers, designers, graphic artitsts, etc...


But as Timo pointed out, if the stamp include copyrighted trademarks or trademarked "symbols" or "characters" (as Mickey Mouse or Coca-Cola), you can´t use them.

Bishop81

Say you worked on doing some stamps too, which ones do people want to purchase? I see a lot of old presidents and stuff, are they interested in those? Or maybe events? Landmarks? People?

Also, when you say you've sold many digitized stamps, what exactly are you saying? You've sold prints of them, or you've just sold the image of a stamp? Or is there something that I'm overlooking altogether?

And another question, if you don't mind...
Used or unused?

I thought of one more question.
How do you prefer selling these? Do you sell them online or offline? Do you prefer your own site, or simply use another site, such as an auction site for example?

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tj

I think first needs to be cleared if there is a market today for stamps, and if who is interested in something like reprints ....

Timo

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Jassa

Timo, how would one go about finding that exactly?

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Bishop81

I am definitely finding some stamps that I feel would make good christmas and birthday gifts, digitized, blown up a little and framed. Still not sure how to find out where the market for them is at, though.

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Bishop81

I think that's what makes using Public Domain stuff so intimidating to many people. It's hard to figure out how to judge a market for certain things, and also how to use it for your benefit. It makes sense to say "Republish a book, post on a blog, etc..." but there are SO many more ways that it can be used. I know we've only scratched the surface in this thread, and it's hard for my mind to come up with many more ways to use this stuff.

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tj

One idea could be, if the design is not too complcated, to sell part's of the enlarged design as a template to the sewing market (a lot of women have computerized sewing machines that you can feed with your own design and on the search for new designs).

Timo

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brandiwoodrum

I can't thank you enough for all the information. I am going to use your advice to help launch my IM career. I appreciate you sharing this with all of us! Thanks

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tj

Jassa, I am not exactly in the stamp market - so I can answer that only in general. Find online forums related to your niche/ market and find out what forum members there talk about (here forums related to stamps). Next way: Find Yahoo Groups related to stamps and participate there.

Timo

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Bishop81

When it comes to scanning a book, in an attempt to get it digitized, what are some good tips that we should know?

I got a great book that I think will work for a literature membership autoresponder (I would send them a piece of poetry or prose every X days for a year or so), and have been playing around with scanning it for a little while. My OCR that came with my scanner seems to suck royally, (HP) and I tried a free (SoftiOCR) that isn't doing too hot either.

I'm not sure if it's my scans, or my OCR software that is the problem. When doing OCR, what resolution do you recommend? My HP software won't let me do it if the image is under 200dpi.

I know that with a scanner like you have, Timo, you don't have to remove the binding of the books. Is that something that we should probably do in order to get these things scanned if we just have a regular scanner? Yes, it's something that I really hate to do, but if it's necessary then I'll do it.

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tj

Chris, if you want to scan a book with a regular flat bed scanner, then you have to press every single page on the glass platen of the scanner. Get your self a pack of good movies and then start scanning The minimum dpi for a good scan with regular (not fine print) print books is 300 dpi, if you have fine print, then you need something in the area of 600dpi (font size 6 and lower.) It will take quite a bit of time so really get some movies

If you want to take the book apart make sure that you do not tear the pages with the printing apart, it would be really bad if you could not OCR the book, because a part of the printing is missing. If you want to shorten the time and you can invest the $, try do get a scanner with a ADF (Document Feeder), where just put the pages into the feeder and the scanner does the rest. Advantage of this way: you save time and frustration with the flatbed scanner. Disadvantage: You will get frustrated with the ADF Scanner because the feeder works in the beginning very well, but after a while the feeder starts to eat pages or feeds 2 pages in one time instead of one.

Or you just put the ripped out pages on the flatbed scanner - but it takes also time.

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GuruGazette

Slightly off topic but I've been wondering because of your sig Timo

Do you have to tear/cut the books apart to scan them? Most of my collection is 100+ years old but at least one or two is from the 1600/1700's and there's no way I'd want to ruin them. I'm not even sure I'm brave enough to ship them off to someone for scanning...

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Brad Spencer

Cool post...I really enjoyed it my friend.

I'm not a site flipper but posts like this make me think about it

Cheers,

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Buster Iversen

Not at all, you can do it the manual way (scan one page at a time) or get one of those machines that flips the pages (expensive).

tj

Nope we don't tear the books apart - they basically go back to the client in the same condition as they arrive here. My oldest book is from the 1830'ish - and the oldest book I had to work on so far was from the beginning of the 1800, that was from a library in California

The work on the books is done with an overhead scanner, so that there is no need to press them against a scanner etc. and kill the spine of the book.

You can send your 100 year old books insuired with USPS - but I think it would not be a good idea to send the books from the 1600/1700, USPS would not insure that kind of books in a $ amount.

But please let me know if you questions ... you can pm me too.

Timo

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tj

No they're not ... just 250k$ /me hides and runs


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GuruGazette

Hehe... NOT trying the DIY route with something like this. I know better

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